I'm still thinking of buying the R5 mark II. Should I or should I wait? I BOUGHT IT!!!

[Jeff WX1USN]

So then you can sell the R6II and the R7! If and when the R5m2 lives up to your expectations of course. Tomorrow is Wednesday!

I am going to call them in a little while because they usually get it from the main warehouse the day before, i.e. today, and they have let me pick it up early

I won't be testing it against the R6ii as I have plenty of high ISO shots already to compare it to. I will be doing all the testing this week against the R7. Yesterday I have my 200-800 and 100-500 out in the side yard shooting the garden birds on my feeders about 20 feet away, going to be doing all shooting at 500 or 800 and even 400 with the 100-400. then will see when I crop the R7 image how the R5ii holds up against it, I will also be using the RF 1.4x on all 3 lenses and again compare them to the R7 with out the extender but at the same length more or less.
At the same time the wife is getting the house ready for her Easter Party for the kids grandkids and friends, I am in charge of getting my train set ready for them to use and destroy LOL.

Based on the focal lengths, being roughly within 100mm on all lenses and the R5ii having more and larger pixels it will be interesting to see how severe crops compare between the two. ALSO the R5ii with the 1.4x basically become f/11 lenses like the 600 and 800 f/11's.
I like to have a backup camera while I do have the 7Dii, I would like a backup mirrorless camera. Both the R6ii and the R7 have their points, R6ii high ISO but the R5ii should be very close, the R7 reach with wider f stop. The R6ii I would guess would bring about $1400 and the R7 about $700-800 but they may take a while to get that. Being that the R6ii would bring more and is basically a dup of the R5ii I would probably keep the R7 as a backup.

Of course I may find with the RF 1.4x the R5ii is a replacement for the R7 with no rolling shutter and better ISO performance, which is what I am expecting, then the issue is IQ of the image with the 1.4x and also no backup although I still have the 7Dii and in a pinch the 5Dc. I only have 1 RF-S lens for the R7 as when they came out I had to buy the kit lens with it to get it. Of course I would probably sell the kit lens with the R7 as I would think the 24-240 would have better IQ than the 18-150 when on the R5ii.
Decisions Decisions...

Lens R7 32 mpx R5ii with RF 1.4x 45 mpx
100-400 640mm f/8 560mm f/11
100-500 800 f/7.1 700 f/10
200-800 1280 f/9 1120 f/12.5

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

I will be doing all the testing this week against the R7.

I think that's the comparison you want: R7 vs R5II > apples vs apples.

Decisions Decisions...

Yep. But at least you have a plan on what to test exactly. That's something.

Lens R7 32 mpx R5ii with RF 1.4x 45 mpx
100-400 640mm f/8 560mm f/11
100-500 800 f/7.1 700 f/10
200-800 1280 f/9 1120 f/12.5

It'll be very interesting to see what the different combos do, in terms of noise, cropability, IQ.

At the same time the wife is getting the house ready for her Easter Party for the kids grandkids and friends, I am in charge of getting my train set ready for them to use and destroy LOL.

Oh yeah, there's life too...

 

[Jan1977]

I am going to call them in a little while because they usually get it from the main warehouse the day before, i.e. today, and they have let me pick it up early

I won't be testing it against the R6ii as I have plenty of high ISO shots already to compare it to. I will be doing all the testing this week against the R7. Yesterday I have my 200-800 and 100-500 out in the side yard shooting the garden birds on my feeders about 20 feet away, going to be doing all shooting at 500 or 800 and even 400 with the 100-400. then will see when I crop the R7 image how the R5ii holds up against it, I will also be using the RF 1.4x on all 3 lenses and again compare them to the R7 with out the extender but at the same length more or less.
At the same time the wife is getting the house ready for her Easter Party for the kids grandkids and friends, I am in charge of getting my train set ready for them to use and destroy LOL.

Based on the focal lengths, being roughly within 100mm on all lenses and the R5ii having more and larger pixels it will be interesting to see how severe crops compare between the two. ALSO the R5ii with the 1.4x basically become f/11 lenses like the 600 and 800 f/11's.
I like to have a backup camera while I do have the 7Dii, I would like a backup mirrorless camera. Both the R6ii and the R7 have their points, R6ii high ISO but the R5ii should be very close, the R7 reach with wider f stop. The R6ii I would guess would bring about $1400 and the R7 about $700-800 but they may take a while to get that. Being that the R6ii would bring more and is basically a dup of the R5ii I would probably keep the R7 as a backup.

Of course I may find with the RF 1.4x the R5ii is a replacement for the R7 with no rolling shutter and better ISO performance, which is what I am expecting, then the issue is IQ of the image with the 1.4x and also no backup although I still have the 7Dii and in a pinch the 5Dc. I only have 1 RF-S lens for the R7 as when they came out I had to buy the kit lens with it to get it. Of course I would probably sell the kit lens with the R7 as I would think the 24-240 would have better IQ than the 18-150 when on the R5ii.
Decisions Decisions...

Lens R7 32 mpx R5ii with RF 1.4x 45 mpx
100-400 640mm f/8 560mm f/11
100-500 800 f/7.1 700 f/10
200-800 1280 f/9 1120 f/12.5

I don't have crystal ball, but with the R6ii and R7 the rumors on R6 iii and R7 ii may impact what you will get for them, maybe even more if you have to wait a while before you would get that price. There are rumors on both, but I don't feel any of them is reliable enough to take into account.
But important things first, see what the R5 ii will bring you good luck and fun with the testing

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

So the camera is at Hunts in Providence RI which without traffic it is a 25 minute drive, but this evening with rush hour traffic it would be about 90 minutes each way. I will go after rush hour in the morning.

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

Leaving for Providence now to pick up the camera

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

So I just spent some time setting up the camera pretty much as I want it, about an hour to do that BUT

BUT while I see Pre-Shooting in the menu and can enable it, I don't see anyway to assign a BUTTON to pre-shooting. But unlike the R6ii where you cannot enable pre-shooting to a custom menu C1 C2 C3 with the R5ii I can enable preshooting to one of the custom modes.

BUT that means when I want to preshoot I have to hit the mode button and then switch to C2 (where I put it) from C1 where I was shooting or from manual and then I can preshoot, but unlike the R6ii where I can hit a button to for preshoot and hit the multi controller to move to enable and click it and it can be done quick I have to I have to hit mode and move it but actually once I get used to it I think it will be faster because I can set it in the C2 menu.

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

One other thing my salesman who I dealt with for years, said that 3 days of the rental credited towards a purchase within 30 days AND on Mothers Day they have their yearly sale, where the R5ii which is currently $3,999 will be another 200 or 300 off and in the past Canon has covered the sales tax of about $300 (although not sure about this year)

 

[Jan1977]

So I just spent some time setting up the camera pretty much as I want it, about an hour to do that BUT

BUT while I see Pre-Shooting in the menu and can enable it, I don't see anyway to assign a BUTTON to pre-shooting. But unlike the R6ii where you cannot enable pre-shooting to a custom menu C1 C2 C3 with the R5ii I can enable preshooting to one of the custom modes.

BUT that means when I want to preshoot I have to hit the mode button and then switch to C2 (where I put it) from C1 where I was shooting or from manual and then I can preshoot, but unlike the R6ii where I can hit a button to for preshoot and hit the multi controller to move to enable and click it and it can be done quick I have to I have to hit mode and move it but actually once I get used to it I think it will be faster because I can set it in the C2 menu.

It is one of the grieves I read most about on forums, the inability to enable pre-shoot with 1 button. With the R7 I could not set it to a custom mode and did not even try with the R5 ii, but apparently it can be set to a custom mode there. Good to know.
Based on something I found on the internet I have pre-shoot in the Q-menu and for my shooting when I want to quickly enable/ or disable it works to have it the selected option in the Q-menu. I can hit "Q", then hit "set" en select either enable or disable. Still several button presses, but I can do it relatively quick.

But based on the custom modes, I might have a look into that as well. There is a way to restrict modes if I remember correctly from reading lots on the internet. That may be a way to have qucik changes. I mostly shoot manual with autoISO and do not use exposure compensation a lot. So a C-mode based on manual and a C-mode based on manual with pre-capture enables which I can toggle between might be an easier solution for me. It can be set that C-modes update with settings changes while in the mode, so after I set shutterspeed and aperature and switch between C-modes, when returning I get the settings I last used.

But the solution using Q as quick access kind of helps as well.

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

So I just spent some time setting up the camera pretty much as I want it, about an hour to do that BUT

BUT while I see Pre-Shooting in the menu and can enable it, I don't see anyway to assign a BUTTON to pre-shooting. But unlike the R6ii where you cannot enable pre-shooting to a custom menu C1 C2 C3 with the R5ii I can enable preshooting to one of the custom modes.

BUT that means when I want to preshoot I have to hit the mode button and then switch to C2 (where I put it) from C1 where I was shooting or from manual and then I can preshoot, but unlike the R6ii where I can hit a button to for preshoot and hit the multi controller to move to enable and click it and it can be done quick I have to I have to hit mode and move it but actually once I get used to it I think it will be faster because I can set it in the C2 menu.

I tried setting the AF Mode on the DOF Preview button so you can quickly select C1/2/3. That works just fine but going back didn't. I mean, once in C1 I could press the DOF Preview button all I wanted but it wouldn't show me the AF Mode selector, so I'd have to change it back manually. In the end I just put Pre-shooting in My Menu and change it there.

I read that some people have the DOF Preview button set to take them to My Menu where you have C1/2/3 listed. But I still don't use the pre-shooting mode often and haven't looked into that.

Maybe Canon will remedy this is in a future firmware update.

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

Well what do you know. I tried again with the DOF button and realised what I did wrong! Putting the AF modes selector on the DOF button does work and it's a fairly quick way to switch between pre-capture mode and normal mode without having to take the camera down.

Back when I tried it I forgot to register the assigned DOF Preview button in C1! It now works.