I'm still thinking of buying the R5 mark II. Should I or should I wait? I BOUGHT IT!!!

[JohnPD]

In this series I can see the middle shot to clearly be less sharp.

Definitely. A pity because I really like the pose.

So do I. The wing position is really nice but it's the soft colors in the bird that do it for me. It may be a bit soft but I think it's still what you call "passable".

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

interesting observation, I am shooting out my window with my R6ii and 100-500 and R7 with RF100-400. I have the focus set the same as far as I know with both cameras but the R6ii is sluggish and often I have to twist the focus ring to get it to focus especially when using 500mm at 25' and then try to get a shot at 10', the R7 with the 100-400 snaps into focus every time!
I thought it might be the lens so swapped them and the R6ii is still sluggish and often takes two pushes of the focus button to focus or never will and have to twist the ring, while the R7 is still snappy even with the 100-500.

Not sure why this is but I have noticed it for some time, the R7 is snappier on focusing.

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

I saw that the R5ii when shot with the APS-C 1.6x gives 17mp that would be "full" screen. When I shoot with the R7 I rarely use the full screen almost always 50-75% crop.

I am thinking that when I do that, and this is just off the top of my head, with the R7 at 50% crop I would be getting roughly 17mp while the R5ii at a 50% crop in APS-C would be about 8mp so the R7 cropped 50% would have more mp than the R5ii severely cropped

???

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

interesting observation, I am shooting out my window with my R6ii and 100-500 and R7 with RF100-400. I have the focus set the same as far as I know with both cameras but the R6ii is sluggish and often I have to twist the focus ring to get it to focus especially when using 500mm at 25' and then try to get a shot at 10', the R7 with the 100-400 snaps into focus every time!
I thought it might be the lens so swapped them and the R6ii is still sluggish and often takes two pushes of the focus button to focus or never will and have to twist the ring, while the R7 is still snappy even with the 100-500.

Not sure why this is but I have noticed it for some time, the R7 is snappier on focusing.

That's odd. I don't recognise this behaviour from my R6m2 & 100-500, or with any of my lenses. I can't recall ever having touched the focus ring. It just snaps into focus. Have you noticed it before?

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

I saw that the R5ii when shot with the APS-C 1.6x gives 17mp that would be "full" screen. When I shoot with the R7 I rarely use the full screen almost always 50-75% crop.

I am thinking that when I do that, and this is just off the top of my head, with the R7 at 50% crop I would be getting roughly 17mp while the R5ii at a 50% crop in APS-C would be about 8mp so the R7 cropped 50% would have more mp than the R5ii severely cropped

???

So:
R5m2 in crop mode = 17mp
R7 you crop to about the same: 17mp

You are right. If you were to crop the R5m2 further, it would result in a file of less than 17mp and the R7 file at 17mp would have more mpx. Unless you crop the R7 file further of course.

The question then is: which will give you better image quality?

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

That's odd. I don't recognise this behaviour from my R6m2 & 100-500, or with any of my lenses. I can't recall ever having touched the focus ring. It just snaps into focus. Have you noticed it before?

Yes it has been that way for a long time but not sure. Anyhow I will spend some time going through and comparing each setting in both cameras

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

So:
R5m2 in crop mode = 17mp
R7 you crop to about the same: 17mp

You are right. If you were to crop the R5m2 further, it would result in a file of less than 17mp and the R7 file at 17mp would have more mpx. Unless you crop the R7 file further of course.

The question then is: which will give you better image quality?

Actually when the R7 is cropped to 50% it is 17mp, but when it is full APS-C it is 32mp while the R5ii at APS-C is 17mp.

When I rent the R5ii I will do a lot of comparisons

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

That's odd. I don't recognise this behaviour from my R6m2 & 100-500, or with any of my lenses. I can't recall ever having touched the focus ring. It just snaps into focus. Have you noticed it before?

I changed a few settings in AF, helps a bit

BUT where it is mostly happening is when I focus at infinity and then want to instantly focus at the minimum focus distance, if I am focusing in a general area it is snappy, and it seems to be above 300mm below 300 it is snappy at all distances.

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

I changed a few settings in AF, helps a bit

BUT where it is mostly happening is when I focus at infinity and then want to instantly focus at the minimum focus distance, if I am focusing in a general area it is snappy, and it seems to be above 300mm below 300 it is snappy at all distances.

I think when a camera is set to infinity it can't actually see anything at minimum focus distance. I mean it can only focus on what it can see, so if it can't see anything it doesn't focus on anything. So what I would do in those situations is switch to Spot-AF.

When I switched from my 1D4 to mirrorless and the R6, after some experimenting I put the AF back on the shutter. And I've shot like that with the R6m2 and now with the R5m2. So my primary AF mode is on the shutter. It is set to whole area and eye tracking. I have two assist modes: Zone-AF on the AF-ON button and Spot-AF on the star button. So if I am all the way at infinity and need the camera to suddenly focus on something nearby, I aim, press the star button and I'm there.

I remember Duade Paton talking about this, I think in his R6m2 review, saying how useful it would be if we could limit the range the AF searches in so it doesn't have to travel such a long distance. Jan Wegener also talked about it and he too uses Spot-AF to quickly readjust focus.

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

I saw a video of Jan Wegener or Duade Paton or one of these YouTubers where they said they only shot with in pre-capture mode now. I find that hard to believe. It's a very nice feature but I don't think it's useful as the default shooting mode. Like Jeff says, it's hit or miss and he has a lot of experience shooting in this mode.

I found the video. I think. It's in Jan Wegener's review of the R5m2. But he didn't say it quite like I thought he did.

At around the 7.50 min mark he talks about the PC mode and says: "it's a feature that is definitely a must have for me".
And at the end in his Final thoughts at around the 31 min mark he says it's something he "highly values" and "something I really can't live without any more".

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