R5ii vs R6ii High ISO

[Jack Dawe]

I don't know about that. Yes, the glass bird looks much sharper in the R6m2 pic but looking at the noise in the background and the darker areas, the R5m2 shot looks cleaner to me. And I think you might have missed focus on the bird with the R5m2. Or there was some camera movement. In any case the bar on the right side of the round glass is in better focus than the bird in the R5m2 shot whereas it's exactly the other way around in the R6m2 shot. So focus did not land in the same spot for these two shots.

Also, I don't think you can compare the files from these two cameras like this, as you are comparing 24mpx to 45mpx, that's an unequal playing field. You would need to downscale the R5m2 file to equal the R6m2 or upscale the R6m2 file to equal the R5m2 file.

I was wondering the same. The difference in the amount of noise in the RAW files is very noticeable. The plastic bird indisputably has more definition in the R6m2 shot, but I can't tell whether or not that is due to the cameras or the shooting. However, 1/2000s ought to be enough to overcome any hand shake and if you used a tripod that would certainly mean that the R6m2 has the edge in defition. As for the processing it's hard to tell. Both shots have scrubbed up well, but the slightly darker end result with the R5m2 seems to show slightly better detail in the poles and the holes of the syrup feeder.

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

When I bought the R5ii, which I love, my salesman at Hunts Photo said to my talking about the R6ii that while the R6ii "might" have an advantage at high ISO's the software will continue to get better to deal with that noise. and that is true, DX0 Pure Raw 5 handles it well. Also often a bit of noise is acceptable in an image especially if I don't fall into my bad habit of cropping way to tight.

I should just sell the R6ii as I love the R5ii and it is a better camera especially in Pre-Capture which I do a lot of. It is just hard to say goodbye.

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

I don't know how to downscale, But I is just that I "feel" the R6ii handles noise better but is it worth keeping or just stick with the R5ii.

Oh, it probably does better. Big pixels have a better signal to noise ratio than small pixels. I think that is still the case. But your files with the R6m2 at double the ISO speed of the R5m2 files, the R5m2 file was cleaner. In my opinion.

There are several ways to downscale an image in Photoshop but the easiest is to take the R5m2 file and downscale it to the dimensions of the R6m2. Or take the R6m2 file and upscale it to the dimensions of the R5m2. In Photoshop's menu go to Image and choose Image Size. Fill in the dimensions, make sure Resample is checked and choose Bilinear if you are upscaling and Bicubic if you are downscaling. Theoretically these should give you the best results. Then click OK.

I probably should just sell the R6ii before the R6iii comes out I am just having trouble letting go.

Me too, Jeff. It's such a great camera. It would probably be smarter to sell before the R6m3 comes out. The moment that comes out I reckon we will get less for our mark II. But I find it really hard to let go of it. Even though I'm not even using it now.

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

Oh, it probably does better. Big pixels have a better signal to noise ratio than small pixels. I think that is still the case. But your files with the R6m2 at double the ISO speed of the R5m2 files, the R5m2 file was cleaner. In my opinion.

There are several ways to downscale an image in Photoshop but the easiest is to take the R5m2 file and downscale it to the dimensions of the R6m2. Or take the R6m2 file and upscale it to the dimensions of the R5m2. In Photoshop's menu go to Image and choose Image Size. Fill in the dimensions, make sure Resample is checked and choose Bilinear if you are upscaling and Bicubic if you are downscaling. Theoretically these should give you the best results. Then click OK.


Me too, Jeff. It's such a great camera. It would probably be smarter to sell before the R6m3 comes out. The moment that comes out I reckon we will get less for our mark II. But I find it really hard to let go of it. Even though I'm not even using it now.

I wanted to see how far I could push the R6ii and get about the same noise with the R5ii because in the morning I am usually shooting BIF above 1/2000 and the ISO really climbs especially with the RF 100-500. I could be wrong but it seems like I can go about twice the high ISO with the R6ii but I will try the upsampling while it raining today.

I do like the R6ii as a backup although I have the R7 which would be a backup.

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

I wanted to see how far I could push the R6ii and get about the same noise with the R5ii because in the morning I am usually shooting BIF above 1/2000 and the ISO really climbs especially with the RF 100-500. I could be wrong but it seems like I can go about twice the high ISO with the R6ii but I will try the upsampling while it raining today.

The up or downsampling is nice for a fair comparison of the two camera sensors but it’s also rather academic because in the end it’s the files SOOC that you have to deal with.

I do like the R6ii as a backup although I have the R7 which would be a backup.

Sure, but the R7 has worse noise.

Is there any news on the R6 mark III?

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

The up or downsampling is nice for a fair comparison of the two camera sensors but it’s also rather academic because in the end it’s the files SOOC that you have to deal with.


Sure, but the R7 has worse noise.

Is there any news on the R6 mark III?

Yes my R7 has to be kept below 3,200 I am hoping for a better R7ii we will see.

The R6iii has great expected specs and right now I am hearing that it may be this summer

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

Yes my R7 has to be kept below 3,200 I am hoping for a better R7ii we will see.

The R6iii has great expected specs and right now I am hearing that it may be this summer

You've probably seen this on Canon Watch: https://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-r6-mark-iii-the-camera-thats-always-just-around-the-corner/

I have a R6m3 thread somewhere. I'll update that thread, put the link in.

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

You've probably seen this on Canon Watch: https://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-r6-mark-iii-the-camera-thats-always-just-around-the-corner/

I have a R6m3 thread somewhere. I'll update that thread, put the link in.

Sounds good.

I don't think the high ISO will be much if any better than the R6ii, for me it will probably be a pass although I would rent it to check it out.

I am thinking of putting the R6ii up for sale on FB Marketplace and the other forum for maybe $1,500 and see if it sells, it has about 14k clicks on it.

I am really waiting to see what the R7ii will be. If it is what it should have been a mirrorless 7DIII I would be tempted.

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

Sounds good.

I don't think the high ISO will be much if any better than the R6ii, for me it will probably be a pass although I would rent it to check it out.

I am thinking of putting the R6ii up for sale on FB Marketplace and the other forum for maybe $1,500 and see if it sells, it has about 14k clicks on it.

I am really waiting to see what the R7ii will be. If it is what it should have been a mirrorless 7DIII I would be tempted.

I believe the R7m2 is expected in the third quarter of this year? Of course the R6m3 was expected the first quarter of this year and it didn't happen. Canon Watch, Canon Rumors are all just speculating at this point. The cameras will be coming, but when seems to be anybody's guess.

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

Also on the astro photo side, the S30 and S50 pro versions are supposed to be coming out this year, I will stick with my S30 it does well but am interested to see what the sensor and read noise on the S50 pro will be as well as field of view

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

Also on the astro photo side, the S30 and S50 pro versions are supposed to be coming out this year, I will stick with my S30 it does well but am interested to see what the sensor and read noise on the S50 pro will be as well as field of view

All these companies seem to be holding their cards really close to the chest and that makes it real difficult to decide what to do. It's probably deliberate: people get tired of waiting, buy the current gear and then a few months later the new version comes out and then those people will want to upgrade.

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

two High ISO shots, 16,000 and 12,800 with R6ii

If the R6iii has as good or better High ISO performance it may come down to the Pre-capture, with the R6ii you get a single large file you have to split out in DPP, where the R5ii gives the individual frames, That may well be a deciding factor

 

[Levina de Ruijter]

two High ISO shots, 16,000 and 12,800 with R6ii

If the R6iii has as good or better High ISO performance it may come down to the Pre-capture, with the R6ii you get a single large file you have to split out in DPP, where the R5ii gives the individual frames, That may well be a deciding factor

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What I found problematic about the pre-capture mode on the R6m2 was the buffer. It fills up and takes some time to clear. I never did mind the "roll" from which you had to extract the individual images. In fact, when I use the pre-capture mode on the R5m2 I kinda miss it as now I can't tell where pre-capture mode ends and normal mode begins.

 

[Jeff WX1USN]

Another shot with the R5ii at high ISO, ISO 16,000. I still think the R6ii has a slight advantage at high ISO

 

[Jan1977]

Another shot with the R5ii at high ISO, ISO 16,000. I still think the R6ii has a slight advantage at high ISO

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The R6mii may have the advantage (one would expect that based on lesser MP's on the sensor), but these show that the R5mii can stand its own and seem to have sufficient image quality. Did you shoot them in RAW and postprocessed for denoising or straight out of camera jpg?